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Citigirl
Joined: 28 Nov 2004
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| I most certainly accept your apology Sherlock. It has been a long and heartbreaking journey for our family but we will continue on with the hopes of finding Maura and whom ever is responsible for what ever happened to her |
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crystal
Joined: 30 May 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Okay first I would like to say this I do under no circumstances blame anyone for being snappy or rude, this is a very tuff subject if people were not tense and upset then I would think something was wrong. Citigirl you are a great challenger you keep thinking like that you and all of you others is what is going to keep this search going.
Probable cause states that "Reasonable grounds for beliefe that an accused person may be subject to arrest or the issuance of a warrant." This is pretty much saying that if LE said that this "probably happend this way" then a magistry "judge" would sign a warrant. Probable cause is all what you beleve. Most of the evidence that LE recieve from probable cause is all cirsumstancel. They then build their case from the search that they do from issuing a warrant.
The next thing that I wanted to talk about was responding to you Sherlock. When I said that if the K9 lost her sent at the Bus drivers house then that for me would be enough probable cause to call a judge and ask for a warrant to search his property for if I did not get that warrant I would not be able to search anything to do with him.
The next thing I was up at the accident scene this weekend and I find it very od that the bus driver is selling his house!!! Why would he sell his house so soon after? Once again just my opnion.
The next thing I wanted to ask is there is a house right next to where she supposivly crashed Why did she not go there ask for help? Or does anyone know if she did. It seems to wierd with a house rght there for her to walk all the way to the bus drivers house to get help! When that is another 10-20 feet up the road. He is very eager to sell his hoouse to there are 2-3 signs up saying house for sale. Usually people put one up. |
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Citigirl
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Not exactly sure when but the bus drivers house has been up for sale for quite some time |
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lucy
Joined: 15 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject: house for sale |
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| Anyone interested in buying a house !!!! What realtor is this house listed with..? |
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Sherlock
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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Location: Lakes region, NH
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:27 am Post subject: Responce to Crystal |
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Crystal, you said:
| Quote: | | The next thing that I wanted to talk about was responding to you Sherlock. When I said that if the K9 lost her sent at the Bus drivers house then that for me would be enough probable cause to call a judge and ask for a warrant to search his property for if I did not get that warrant I would not be able to search anything to do with him. |
Maybe the police didn't get a warrant to search Crystal, because they feel certain Maura hitched a ride. Maybe they think she originally drove up to Swiftwater with a carload of booze, her books and her suitcase - maybe as a decoy to her true intent of running off... if they believe she "staged the accident" and stuck out her thumb to go off to a "new life" somewhere, wouldn't they look no further? Maybe the dog loosing her scent by the road proves their point... what do you think of that?
You'll pardon my sarcasm as follows (not directed at you Crystal, but at the fact that LE doesn't appear to think a crime was committed)...
Maybe they think she must have gone east and her ride must have dropped her off near Rte 116 so that's why witness #2 saw her wandering around, running, hiding, etc...
Police did search that area too just in case she got lost... and didn't find anything. So she must have gotten another ride.
I forget though that Maura had been missing two months before witless#2 told his story of seeing her... and maybe we can figure, since in all that time they didn't get a phone call from her saying anything was wrong, they took that to be a sign she was okay... "probable cause" that no crime had been committed.
I also watched a show last night on TV... (I watch very little TV, btw) called 48 hours. The message in that show is that LE has exactly 48 hours to prove a crime was committed and find a suspect... 48 friggin' hours... that's it! Now I know why I don't watch much TV... |
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crystal
Joined: 30 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yes they may have 48 hours to find a suspect and prove a crime has been commited on some things. But say they do find her body there is no stauts of limitations on murder so there for they could find her killers and charge them 50 years down the road. Since LE ruined all of their evidence they had at the scene, all they are going to be able to build a case against someone now is findging her body. No I know you were not being snappy. Lets face it why would she leave all her clothes in that car if she was trying to start a new life and her birth control was in the car why would she leave that?
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snowbird
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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Location: New Hampshire
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| Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: To: Lucy |
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| The house is for sale by owner!!!! |
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imanta
Joined: 23 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Perhaps someone threw an object at her windshield to stun/scare her into an accident thus causing her to stop/have an accident? If someone did that to me, I would certainly hesitate to open my door to a random man stopping to ask if he could help. I know it's probably a far-fetched scenario. I wish we had more info/transcripts of the actual evidence in the case. |
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jenkins
Joined: 09 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone know where her car is impounded?
Just the fact that the cops won't release her car proves that they know she didn't just run away.
her car must be being held somewhere. I honestly doubt that there is much security guarding this car.
Lets break in to the impound lot and take pictures of her car and see what kind of evidence is in left in it.
I volunteer to sneek into the impounnd lot if no one else will. How hard could it be? Im from the area and all the imound places around here don't even have fences. Lets find out what happened for ourselves.
Someon also has to go look at the bud drivers house. i doubt there is anythign here but if he is selling it, someone should go look at the house and then ask him a few questions.
Does anyone know where the house is listed for sale? is it online anywhere? |
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penney24
Joined: 09 Sep 2005
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Location: Michigan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hi there, I am new to this forum....and I just heard about Maura (pretty sad, this long after she went missing) through Websleuths. Anyway, I just wanted to let all of her family know that they are in my thoughts and prayers.
There is one thing that I don't understand and I am sure that it has been mentioned before. Okay, so the bus driver was the first person to see her and offer her help after her accident, but she told him NOT to call the police. (correct?) However, he called the police anyway??? How long after her disappearance did he speak with the police? My next question relates to her scent disappearing at his driveway.....if the police tracked her scent to his driveway, but no further and nowhere else, how could they not have some suspicion towards this guy? It really angers me that they haven't made any steps towards looking farther into what this bus driver is all about. And now he is selling his house? In my opinion, based on what I have read, he seems like a likely suspect. Has this ever been brought up to the police? I don't know, I just get a really bad feeling about this person. |
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Helena Murray
Joined: 20 Nov 2004
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Location: Weymouth, MA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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First, welcome to Maura's forum...and to those of you who haven't been welcomed, please forgive us...
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There is one thing that I don't understand and I am sure that it has been mentioned before. Okay, so the bus driver was the first person to see her and offer her help after her accident, but she told him NOT to call the police. (correct?) However, he called the police anyway??? How long after her disappearance did he speak with the police? My next question relates to her scent disappearing at his driveway.....if the police tracked her scent to his driveway, but no further and nowhere else, how could they not have some suspicion towards this guy? It really angers me that they haven't made any steps towards looking farther into what this bus driver is all about. And now he is selling his house? In my opinion, based on what I have read, he seems like a likely suspect. Has this ever been brought up to the police? I don't know, I just get a really bad feeling about this person. |
To our knowledge, the police did not feel there was probable cause to search individual properties. We know that some properties were searched that were not in the immediate vicinity of the crash of Maura's car, but to the best of our knowledge the owners of the properties allowed the searches.
The family has given the police many other names of people who were identified to us as suspects. There was only one name turned over to police that we have been given any information on after the fact and that person was in jail...this was confirmed by sources other than the police. |
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Susan
Joined: 08 Nov 2004
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Location: Massachusetts
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Penney24- I am an old timer who has been deeply affected by MAura's case since it happened almost two years ago..... Maura also reminds
me of my own daughter. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING I TOO HAVE SUSPECTED THE BUS DRIVER.... and now that he is selling his house-
it makes me more wonder why. Also, the second witness, that came
forward is also suspicious and he may be involved! What is wrong woth the local and state police? I feel a crime has been committed against Maura. I applaud Fred, Helena, and all the
relatives who have the strength to keep Maura's case active!!!
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Sherlock
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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Location: Lakes region, NH
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Penny asked: | Quote: | | There is one thing that I don't understand and I am sure that it has been mentioned before. Okay, so the bus driver was the first person to see her and offer her help after her accident, but she told him NOT to call the police. (correct?) However, he called the police anyway??? How long after her disappearance did he speak with the police? |
By way of the "news" I understand the bus driver did attempt to phone 911, but was unable to connect. It was his neighbors on the same side of the road that apparently contacted 911. I always wondered what caused them alarm... the report I heard and believe is where Maura's car is nearly across from the SBD's house, where it was stuck in the snow, won't start again.
SBD drives up while Maura is standing on the road... the SBD stops and is concerned... asks her if she needs help? Should he phone the police? He asks all of this from his seat on the school bus, with Maura standing on the road by her car. She tells him NO, "I already called Triple A".
Driving through that wilderness one quickly becomes aware that neighbors are few and far away... across from the people who contacted 911 is the Red Barn - which is not a residence. Another "witness" lived across Rte 112 from the SBD. Easterly on Rte 112 there is wilderness for a long way, but back west where Maura is suppose to have come from are a half dozen to a dozen more houses...
Where Maura went off the road was at a sharp curve... the dreamers's scenario of her being targeted at a rest stop and followed is a good one. Unfortunately, it's the least likely scenario to follow up on and get leads. SBD stated for example that Maura appeared sober, and that was aid minutes after he saw her when the police arrived, to answer your question... whereas "another witness" said she was "intoxicated". That leads to all sorts of speculation... but one thing is clear here...
If Maura did simply want to get away, wanted to think things over, needed a break... she told the proper persons of "plans" which meant she would be back within a week. Her packed apartment, may have simply been an unpacked apartment... being as she was just returning from Winter Break.
The only note she left, which is rather odd, is that she would contact her boyfriend soon.. there was no suicide note!
So she is upset for whatever reason, or maybe simply fed up - she gets in her crapped out car and decides to drive it in spite of the way it runs... she want to get awy... a week? How much to withdraw from the ATM? Everything? Sort of would depend on several things, like lodging... the stop at the liquor store... did she buy out the whole store, or simply settle for - Kahlua and Vodka?
Where does the Red Wine come in??
She goes off the road... seems to me if SBD said she was sober I'll take that over the word of an unidentified person. Also seems to me if SBD had anything to do with her disappearance he wouldn't have been so chatty and voluntary with the police, media, and family.
So, no, I'm always open to new ways of seeing things, but it's other neighbors who lived nearby that interest me. And I am still waiting to hear if anyone in the family has heard the 911 call?
Finally, the fact SBD has his house up for sale probably indicates he just wants a normal life.
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penney24
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Location: Michigan
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Okay...thanks for the info and clearing some of my thoughts up....although I understand that this bus driver may be innocent and he may want to move to get away from all the attention and speculation that surrounds him....it still bothers me that her scent ended at his driveway. So between the time that he spoke with her and the police arrived, someone drove by and abducted her??? How far is it between neighbors on this road and was the neighbor that called 911 across the street from the bus driver or further down.....and why could this person get in touch with 911 and the bus driver couldn't. I'm just thinking out loud, I hope that nobody takes offense to anything that I say.... 
One more question, how did the police know that she was missing a bottle of liquor? Was there a receipt of a recent purchase?????
Thanks |
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